Anonymous. Rotate. To move in a circle round an axis. If I stood facing the centre with my partner to my right side but backing the centre. When I rotate clockwise where will my partner be.without moving her position or contact point. Then rotate the same distance anti-clockwise. Where is she now. Do the whole exercise over and over untill you get the idea.I thought you were into the laws of motion and all that stuff. If this isn't so we would not have night and day would we.
There will be no hip to hip if CBMP is applied correctly. Will there?

"Anonymous. Rotate. To move in a circle round an axis."

Yes, however most dance actions comprise a rotation about an axis WITHIN the body, added to a linear translation.

"If I stood facing the centre with my partner to my right side but backing the centre. When I rotate clockwise where will my partner be.without moving her position or contact point. Then rotate the same distance anti-clockwise. Where is she now."

What you are describing would be a rotation around a common center outside of the bodies, which would require each dancer to move on a curved path. In fact, that is not what usually happens. Instead, we each rotate our own body.

Because we are also moving as we do this rotation, it may appear as if we are rotating around a common center, or about our own left elbow or something - but if you take into acount that varying distance from the supposed axis, you will see that it is not actually such a curved movement. Instead, it is a rotation about an internal axis, added to a linear travel.

"There will be no hip to hip if CBMP is applied correctly. Will there?"

No, the backward partner's right hip will stay in front of the forward partner's right hip, with respect to the direction of travel. The partners have STRETCHED past each other, by they have not actually passed each other.

Compare for example the first step of a feather step with the first step of a natural turn. They are actually very, very similar with only slight differences. Even in the natural turn, there is not passing of the partner that occurs on the first step - there is stretching past, but the actual passing is left for the second step. In a feather, we merely assume this stretched past position and hold it through step 2 where we call it side lead, and step 3, where we call it CBMP and outside partner.

Anonymous. There is a balance or collection point and a rotation at the end of the Three Step. If you don't and you have done the Three Step Correctly . You would have a right shoulder lead into the Natural. That's not right is it?.
About the other thing you can argue untill you are blue in the face it will not alter the fact that you have either been taught wrong or more likely you haven't listened and are also incapable of seeing from a video because you don't know what to look for. Get your video out and look at the last step in the Feather Step. Do you see a balanced position where the moving foot is level with the other, The same at the end of the Three Step. Going back to the Feather. You have a left side lead on the CBMP. If you don't do something about it you will go into your Reverse with a Left side lead. Thats not right is it. Its all there if you look. Or read Alex Moore.

"Anonymous. There is a balance or collection point and a rotation at the end of the Three Step. If you don't and you have done the Three Step Correctly."

Actually, for the three step, the right side lead vanished during step three, because remember the three step has its steps counted funny.

"Get your video out and look at the last step in the Feather Step. Do you see a balanced position where the moving foot is level with the other, The same at the end of the Three Step."

Sure - the moving foot obviously has to draw next to the standing foot in the process of passing it. But that's a transitory position - the body would then project into imbalance (or it might have already done so, leading the feet, before the moving foot passed)

"Going back to the Feather. You have a left side lead on the CBMP. If you don't do something about it you will go into your Reverse with a Left side lead. Thats not right is it."

Actually it is. If you study in person with a top teacher, you will find out that you are supposed to hold a left side lead (in your topline at least) almost until the second step of a reverse turn. They can be quite insistent about this!

Anonymous. If you hold a left side lead into a Reverse how do you propose to have CBM on the first step. You still aren't looking are you.

"Anonymous. If you hold a left side lead into a Reverse how do you propose to have CBM on the first step. You still aren't looking are you."

Forgetting the spine twist argument so soon???

The CBM for a reverse turn shows up in the lower body rotating, while the upper body keeps a left side lead to maintain a clean hold.

The contrasting opinion is not that the CBM shows up in the top, rather, those who try to avoid twist simply argue against dancing any CBM in a reverse turn at all - they save the entire action for step two.

Well, you also have the impulsive curvers, but they can be safely ignored.

Anonymous. Your third paragraph.
The CBM for a Reverse Turn shows up in the lower body rotating, whilst the upper body keeps a left side lead to maintain a clean hold.
That is nothing short of stupid. How can I move my hips and keep my left side leading.
On the third step of the Feather in CBMP How do you propose I rotate my hips and keep a left side lead.
Have you made an appointment with a Physiotherapist. You'll need one and so will anybody else who tries this. Hold a broom handle in a ballroom position and then try what you are suggesting.

"Anonymous. Your third paragraph.
The CBM for a Reverse Turn shows up in the lower body rotating, whilst the upper body keeps a left side lead to maintain a clean hold. That is nothing short of stupid. How can I move my hips and keep my left side leading."

You may call it stupid, but if you got your head out of those videotapes and took IN PERSON LESSONS with the kind of people you love to quote, you'd find out that it's how dancing in fact works.

You keep a left side lead in your shoulders, while already beginning to slightly rotate your hips. That is the nature of reverse CBM. The only serious dancers who disagree with this are those who argue that there is actually no CBM on reverse turns - they do not rotate anything before the second step (at which point it no longer meets the definition of CBM as the wrong foot is moving)

"On the third step of the Feather in CBMP How do you propose I rotate my hips and keep a left side lead."

I propose you just stop worrying and DO it. However, I would conceptually group the action with step four rather than step three.

""How can I move my hips and keep my left side leading""""
You'd better start practising it - if you want to be a really good dancer. Human anatomy does allow this. Look at any of the photos on this site:

http://www.dancesport.uk.com/
And you will see top dancers doing it. doing it very nicely.

Phil. Have you tried to stand left side leading with strong CBMP. We do know that we don't alter our top shoulders over hips. The whole side turns evenly. With my left side leading how on earth can I turn my hips to the left and leave my shoulders where they are. You must come into a neutral position before going into the Reverse. If you look at a tape I am sure you will be able to pick when the LF comes into this balanced point. The hips rotate to the left then step off on the left foot with CBM into the first of your Reverse. Hold a broom handle in a ballroom position. In CBMP on the third step how are you going to turn your hips and leave the broom handle where it is.
As a lady with the broom handle held get into the third step. That's right shoulder in position with the LF. across the body in CBMP. The lady on the first step of her Heel Turn
applies CBM. How is this going to happen unless she comes into a neutral position rotating anti - clock still backing diagnal to the centre.