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| "The mans rear foot goes right to the toe from the ball of the foot."
The rear foot does, but by the time it has done so, the lady's ball of moving foot is in contact with the floor again.
"The ladies toe is first a ball and then right to the tip of the toe at the extent of the stride."
That's where you are WRONG. It is at the tip of the toe fairly early in the stride, later in the stride the contact moves down to the ball of foot. LEARN TO LOOK WITH MORE CARE.
"Why not look at the introduction and the first and second of the Feather or the first into the Reverse. Then tell me the man' s body is in front of his foot. "
It should be, though it is not on Jonathan's video. However, on his video you CAN SEE that the body is ahead of both feet at the start of step three. What can I say, nobody is perfect.
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| You are unblievable. As your rear foot moves to the rear it starts as a ball and continues as such . Swing the left foot back from the hip , first with the ball of the foot then the toe skimming the floor. This is the bit that is missing by you. At the full extent of the stride lower to the ball of the foot . Reminder. The rest of the foot will not lower onto the floor untill the moving foot is under the body. What is happening to the man's rear foot as he moves forward. It comes from a ball to the toe, which is the last thing to move keeping in contact with the floor.This is after the drive forward where the toe would be passed by the heel . Do not lift. At some point you will see the toe of the mans foot and the toe of the ladies foot creating a beautiful picture if you happend to take a photo at that time, or freeze frame it. Don't lets hear anymore of your nonesense.Its all in the book. |
| "You are unblievable."
Sorry to say, but the truth is a rude shock to you.
"As your rear foot moves to the rear it starts as a ball and continues as such."
You are misleading yourself with an oversimplification: it starts on a heel, goes to the ball, then as it extendens from below the knee the contact point moves up to the very end of the toe. But as the extension continues and the leg division expands to include the thighs, the contact point starts moving back down the foot. By the extreme of stride, it is THE BALL OF FOOT, NOT THE TIP OF THE TOE, which is dominating the floor contact.
"What is happening to the man's rear foot as he moves forward. It comes from a ball to the toe, which is the last thing to move keeping in contact with the floor."
By the time the man's ball of foot has gotten off the floor to leave only the toe, the lady's ball of foot will be on the floor.
"At some point you will see the toe of the mans foot and the toe of the ladies foot creating a beautiful picture if you happend to take a photo at that time, or freeze frame it."
Beautiful, yes, but you won't see them both on their toe. Instead, you will see one of the ball and the other on the toe, and then the opposite.
"Don't lets hear anymore of your nonesense.Its all in the book."
You need to read that book a bit more carefully! |
| Just one point at a time. What makes you think that the heel is in the equation at this time. There is no heel only the ball. This is the beginning of the step when the supporting foot has lowered to the floor. Beautiful picture. You are not looking at the couple I am looking at. To me a ball is that part of the foot behind the toes, And to be on the toes means that that part of the foot is off the floor. Therefore we can use the ball which will become a toe and then back to a ball again right at the end of the stride. Thats going backwards |
| "Just one point at a time. What makes you think that the heel is in the equation at this time. There is no heel only the ball. This is the beginning of the step when the supporting foot has lowered to the floor."
The heel is in the picture during the latter part of the previous step. As I'm sure you know, where the book talks about the backwards movement of the free leg it is talking about a passing walking action, and it begins by describing the moving foot's arrival under the body - it does this to point out that it is actually one single movement of the foot, from in front of the body to behind.
"Beautiful picture. You are not looking at the couple I am looking at."
Maybe not, but if you couple you are looking at are both on their toes, then they are DANCING BADLY. Skilled, coordinated dancers would have one partner already on the ball of foot by the time the other reaches the toe.
The fact remains, no matter how much you wish to sophmorically deny it, that the role for the extreme of the toe is fairly early in the backwards extension - later on, at the extreme, the ball of foot will once again be in contact.
"To me a ball is that part of the foot behind the toes"
Yes, specially from the knuckles back.
"And to be on the toes means that that part of the foot is off the floor."
BUT IT IS NOT OFF THE FLOOR AT THE EXTENT OF THE STRIDE - the toe knuckles are back on the floor there.
"Therefore we can use the ball which will become a toe and then back to a ball again right at the end of the stride. Thats going backwards"
It's back to the ball by the time maximum seperation of the feet is achieved. In other words, the backwards partner has the ball of foot touching again BEFORE such time as the forwards partner's ball of foot leaves the floor. |
| Your paragraph two. I m quoting the book page 13 Paragraph 5. in relation to the ball of the foot and the toe. It becomes a toe much later. Your not bending that front knee again are you. Be honest how many including yourself knew that after the extreme part of the toe was on the floor it then becomes a ball again. If the step was written as it is done it would be down as B. T. B. As I said . If the knee is bent to 45 degrees the toe will be on the floor for a few inches only.. On the mans step which is forward takes his rear foot to the last part of the toe. It can't be any other way unless it is lifted from the floor. And we all know thats not correct. Or do we. Your forth paragraph 5 1 07 At the extreme of the stride the ball is in contact with the floor. Its the toe at the extreme part of the stride. Bend that supporting knee. I take it that extreme means the very last part of the step before the body starts to move. |
| "Your not bending that front knee again are you."
I think we are going to have to engrave that on your headstone... you obviously love to hear yourself say that, even when it bears not a shred of relation to the situation - as you would well know if you could actually read.
"Be honest how many including yourself knew that after the extreme part of the toe was on the floor it then becomes a ball again. If the step was written as it is done it would be down as B. T. B."
It does as you'd know if you would only study pictures with a bit of care, but it is not written that way. If you'd bothered to read the book with more care, you would have seen the note where it mentions that it does not make distinction in the footwork codes between ball & toe, though pointing out that there is a unique role for each.
"On the mans step which is forward takes his rear foot to the last part of the toe."
Yes, but by the time he gets to his toe, the lady's ball of foot is going to be on the floor again. She has it off the floor (toe touching only) only during the earlier part of the step, while her knee is still bent. As her knee straightends towards midstride, her ball of foot will recontact the floor, BEFORE the man's ball of foot breaks contact.
"Your forth paragraph 5 1 07 At the extreme of the stride the ball is in contact with the floor. Its the toe at the extreme part of the stride."
WRONG. It is the toe early in the stride while the knee is bent. At the extent of the stride is is already the ball of foot again. Try getting your knee actually straight (as you keep trumpeting the importance of) and you'll see why this needs to happen.
"Bend that supporting knee. I take it that extreme means the very last part of the step before the body starts to move."
You had better not be bending your supporting knee at midstride! While your knee is bent (moving backwards) your moving foot contact may be the end of the toe only, but as your knees straighten it will be ball of foot again!
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| Not written that way. Lets ask Alex Moore. The toe skimming the floor. At the full extent of the stride lower onto the ball of the foot. He's wrong again. Isn' t that right Alex. |
| "Not written that way. Lets ask Alex Moore. The toe skimming the floor. At the full extent of the stride lower onto the ball of the foot. He's wrong again. Isn' t that right Alex."
Silly boy, it's a continous process!
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| Define a step and a pace. A step is a step forward and as the other foot arrives under the body the step is finished. Hence we read rise at the end of one. A pace is one foot forward as in a heel lead. It will be the same for the Waltz Foxtrot and Quickstep. In the Quickstep the pace is smaller because the music is faster. It goes on to say that there is less flexing of the knees over the step. We are not concerned with that because we are on our pace and haven't arrived yet. Our only concern is the one pace. There will be no flexing of the knees untill thr step is finished. Or if you like the body arriving over the foot. In the Waltz. If you swing down half way through the pace. You will have to start rising. As we all know we commemce to rise at the end of the first beat. Not start to rise half way through the first pace. From the book. When instructed to rise at the end of the step the dancer should not commence to rise untill the moving foot passes the foot supporting the weight of the body. The heel of the supporting foot will be then released from the floor. How much more instruction do you need to convince you that for 10 years you have been doing it wrong. I will say it again. One pace forward on the heel is the same in the three dances that are under question. It would be extremely difficult to do anything else but that, wouldn't it. |
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