Which Professional Association has a Spin Turn in its syllabus that isn't a Natural Spin Turn, Polished?

A NST would always be demonstrated from step 1, and would include pointing the toe of RF back after step 6, having shown the lowering of LF e/o 6.

The demonstration would also show the heel of the LF being released as the RF step 5 is taken HT (just like any other forward walk), and the demonstration would show rising e/o 5, and NOT rising from "there" (4) onto step 5 (ie rising e/o 4, up on 5).

Down on 5. Rise e/o 5. No Hover.

thank you, CliveHarrison. I should do it. I need in a control and a partner for a train (I haven't yet ).
I known an each other have the paar but I want dance that's way I'll get take a some partner for a train.

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CliveHarrison. Why do you think that in the Technique Book it says. The Natural Spin Turn...1 2 3 First three steps of the Natural Turn Finish with back to LOD. It does not say the first three steps of the Natural Spin Turn.
You will always find that they make a point of saying the first three of a Natural. After having digested that go to an Impetus. What do you know it says The figure consists of the first half of the Natural Turn. Try not to argue about something you know very little about. I'll bet you think the
5th step for the lady in the Natural Spin Turn is TH suprise suprise there is no lowering there for the lady on that step. The heel never touches the floor. For those who have never done a medal, on the 5th step of the Reverse Turn in the Foxtrot The 5th step for the man is T. For the lady it is TH.
I've put that in because there is bound to be somebody who it will help to understand that the ladies footwork is not always a mirror image of the man's.

"Try not to argue about something you know very little about."

Try not to quote from a book which you have already said you do not own!

Alex Moore's "Ballroom Dancing" is not the technique book. Please put it at the back of a shelf somewhere and go and buy either the ISTD "The Ballroom Technique" or Guy Howards's "Technique of Ballroom Dancing" which is the IDTA's bible.

Both of these books describe the Natural Spin Turn as having 6 steps, the first three of which just happen to be the same as the first half of a natural turn.

The impetus turns are described with just 3 steps (which may be preceded by the first half of a natural turn)

SocialDancer. Alex Moores Book is the technique book. He was commissioned by the Imperial Society ISTD. For years it was the only book recognised.The other books are in the main a carbon copy of this original book. Its rightfull place has never been down graded or ever will..You might be interested to know that Alex Moore's book is usually available to buy on this site. At the moment it is sold out. There are a few places where I live where it can be purchased. It is the only one with charts drawn to scale.
Lets carry this on a bit further. If Alex Moore's book is not an official manual to base studies on . Then all those in the past who did use this book and were examined on it , most of them household names. What becomes of their qualifications.
Before there ever was Natural Spin Turn there was a Natural Turn.
So the Natural Spin Turn borrowed the first three of the Natural Turn. I can also do a Spin Turn in the Foxtrot as part of a Wave and carry on with the Wave. Usually finish it off with a Curving Back Feather Five bars of music all up.

I have nothing to add. You are an idiot.

Social Dancer. I was just looking at your writing on the 8/2/08. You are absolutely right if you say a Natural Spin Turn has six steps. And the Impetus Turn which has three steps is also correct. If you apply the same reasoning to the Spin Turn that you have to the Impetus Turn then you would be correct on three counts instead of two.
Now tell me how many steps has a Spin Turn got.If you are asked to do a Spin Turn you would start at step four of a Natural and not on step one if you were sitting for an examination..If you were asked to explain a Natural Spin Turn you would start on step one of a Natural.
If you were teaching a class and you after going through it a few times wanted to start with the class with the Spin. What exactly would you call it.
Clive. You might like to know that the Spin Turn was there long before the first three of a Natural Turn. Victor Silvester who introduced Natural Turn which included the first three steps would not have performed a Natural Spin Turn but would have known what a Spin Turn was. If your not up with the history. Before Victor Silvester introduced the Natural Turn in the Waltz in the first World Championships ever held in London, which he won. That was December 1922 and on that day the Modern Waltz was born. In many respects apart from the absence of the Natural Turn in the Waltz in those days, it was simular to that of today, except a Reverse Turn was a Cross and a Heel Pivot. On a Change Step the feet used to pass and not come together. And for those who are intersted . There was no Feathers Step in the Foxtrot. In 1922 they were still doing what we would call a Lock Step or a cross behind. At that time there was still no Quickstep.

"Now tell me how many steps has a Spin Turn got.If you are asked to do a Spin Turn you would start at step four of a Natural and not on step one if you were sitting for an examination."

There is no such figure as a Spin Turn in the ISTD, IDTA or UKA syllabi. The specified figure is the Natural Spin Turn with all six steps. That is the figure which would be expected in the examination and that is why we can quote the rise and fall as 'down on 4, rise at end of 5' and not 'down on 1 rise at end of 2'.

"If you were teaching a class and you after going through it a few times wanted to start with the class with the Spin. What exactly would you call it."

Outside the examination room we are free to use terms to suit the situation and the pupils knowledge and experience. It is quite common to refer to the NST as just a spin turn. Many beginners will recognise (if they have been told any names of figures) a combination of 'whisk, chasse and spin turn' because that is easier than 'whisk, chasse from promenade position and natural spin turn'. If I needed to concentrate on part of the figure, then for beginners I might say "let's look at the spin" or "starting from the spin part". If working on technique with more advanced dancers I may refer to steps 4,5 & 6.

Getting back to your earlier post, I repeat, Alex Moore's "Ballroom Dancing" is NOT the technique book. When he wrote his "Revised Technique" in 1948 he also worked on the ISTD Ballroom Faculty committee which produced their technique book. This book was then used for their exams. Since that was 60 years ago anyone who qualified before that book was used must be at least 76 years of age so I doubt if anyone will worry too much about their qualifications.

You also said in another post which I cannot find at the moment, that the pivot in the (natural) spin turn is always 1/2 turn. Please check again!

maybe when polished refers to the spin turn as opposed to the natural spin turn, he is referring to the figure now standardised and termed the natural pivot in the quickstep section of guy howard ? Even this is standardised with 1-3 as per a natural turn with the pivot per se described as step 4, although that step 4 could be performed as a stand alone figure eg preceded by a pivotting action, or by 1-2 of a reverse turn (ie a checked reverse turn).

A normal Natural Spin Turn finishing with the man Backing Diagnal to the centre with the LOD, 3/8ths of a Turn on the first three. 1/2 a turn on step four followed by another 3/8 on step five and six. Page 121. The debatable point here is how much turn is there at the very end of one on an ( and ) count. Which leaves what for steps two and three. The book says 3/8 over the three steps. You will find the same argument on the Natural And Reverse Turns in the Foxtrot. So what do we do. We look at the very best in the world and look in slow motion to see exactly how it is being done. In the Reverse Turn in the Foxtrot I can tell you right now it is 3/8 of a turn at the end of step one. The whole turn is being done over one step.
Interested.At last somebody with some sense.