My partner and I both know how to get into a whisk, but what exactly is the wing?

After a whisk, I virtually pivot on the spot 180 dgrees and bring the lady across in front of my body so that she finishes up turning more than 360 degrees in just 3 steps. Is this OK. At this point I am backing LOD and my partner is outside my body facing Diag Wall or LOD, ready for both of us to go down the line of dance with me backing and lady facing.

Please help

That's far too much turn for a basic Wing. If you're moving along the line of dance in promenade position, the lady can turn between 1/2 total (to end backing line of dance) or 5/8 total (to end backing diag center). Her body will have turned slightly farther to accommodate the outside partner position, but nowhere near a full turn.

The man is pointing toward line of dance on the first step, then has either no additional turn, or 1/8 turn through the feet thereafter. Most of the turn is done through the body. He begins rotated to the right of the foot alignment (due to promenade position), then ends rotated to the left of his foot alignment, to bring the lady to left outside partner position.

You might be able to push the limits a bit beyond the basic textbook recommendation, but I don't see a full turn being possible without additional syncopated steps for the lady. Actually, there's a name for this: A Running Wing.

Assuming you're talking about a basic textbook Wing, 1/2 or 5/8 is appropriate (albeit body more). Man typically follows with a forward step along line of dance or towards diag center.

Regards,
Jonathan Atkinson
www.ballroomdancers.com

Regards,

Thankyou kindly for your reply.

After reading your post, I realised that I am actually taking 2 measures to get into that outside position, not one.

So after 3 steps my aligment either remains facing LOD or possibly Diag Centre. (Not sure which one)

The lady on the first 3 steps is endeavouring to get across in front of me, but what is her alignment at the third step?

For the second measure, I continue to move fwd on 1 pivot on 2 while still turning the lady so that she finishes outside facing Diag Wall.

Does that sound right to you?

John.Usually a Wing follows a Whisk. It can also follow a Open Impetus. Where does an Open Impetus normally finish. It finishes diagnal to the centre. The first step for the man is in Promenade and is straight. So what should the ladies step be. What is the lady doing. It is very much like a man's Curving Three Step except at the end on the third step she creates a shape. The Rise and Fall is important for the lady.Commence to rise at the end of one. Continue to rise on two. up on three. lower at the end of three. It is much nicer and gives a better shape if the lady keeps her head to her left looking over the back and giving her a long line. Resisting the temptation to look to her front. Good Luck

I held back on replying to this post because your original definition also didn't make sense to me. The way Jonathan describes the sequence is exactly how I thought the steps should proceed. I was having a hard time figuring how the lady could make such a turn off the Whisk, especially when you move into a promenade position.
Thanks for the question, and the explanation. I like that term, Running Wing, too. I now can call it something.
Over the years, I have been taught a lot of steps by instructors who don't spend a lot of time explaining what certain sequences in a variation are called. They've been more interested in getting the footwork and balance correct.
I've probably learned more in that regard by reading the descriptions of the variations explained in text and video on this site.

Thanks Serendipidy for the alignment, information on Wing after Open Impetus and Rise and Fall. All very useful points. Thanks Dheun for your input. I would like to say, however, coincidentally or not, but I actually saw what you mentioned.

Earlier today I saw a video of a guy dancing with a lady in blue, and even though it was not what I was endeavouring to do, he swung that lady off a whisk in promenade into a 360. Today dheun you coincidentally, mentioned exactly what I saw. "I was having a hard time figuring how the lady could make such a turn off the Whisk, especially when you move into a promenade position." See link where it says WALTZ
http://www.wretch.cc/video/jjdance&func=single&vid=3441112&o=time_d&p=9+

View the move and if you know what it is please let me know.

By the way it is NOT what I was attempting. Jonathan's description cleared the air for me and Serendipidy gave me more information which I found really usefull, particularly A Wing after an Open Impetus.

Thankyou all for your input.

Kind Regards
John Brennan

More on the Wing. I was told leave that one out of your routine unless you enjoy being run over. This is in a competition with a dozen people on the floor. When you think about it, you have found a position on the floor where you have space around you. Then you vertually stay on the same spot for two bars of music. Not a good idea.Leave that one for your medals along with anything simular.

Serendipidy, I totally agree in competition, yes you may get run over, but away from competition, I enjoy the wing because of its gracefullness.

If one word comes to mind when WALTZ is mentioned, I would say the word GRACEFULL.

For me the Waltz is a gracefull piece of art, and I can express this by executing the WING.

However, thankyou for the advice.

What would be an appropriate anti static (progressing) movement after the WING?

Kind Regards
John Brennan

I checked the video clip you posted. If you were referring to the action following the Whisk they took at the corner, it's not a Wing. I would call it a Syncopated Telemark from Promenade Position, or Quick Closed Telemark.

Conceptually it's very similar to the idea of a Quick Open Reverse -- not the syllabus version, but the version people actually do in competition, either from promenade or outside partner position starting with man's right foot forward. A Quick Open Reverse is simply an Open Reverse Turn with an extra step at the beginning. The extra step in this case is a step through in promenade position, with the lady then turning around the man to return to closed position, to follow with the rest of the Open Reverse.

Along the same lines, you can do a "quick" anything that normally starts with the man's left foot forward into a reverse turning action, such as a "Quick Closed/Chasse Reverse", a "Quick Viennese Cross", a "Quick Open Telemark", or a "Quick Closed Telemark". The latter is the pattern you see on the video following the Whisk.

Regards,
Jonathan

Thanks Jonathan. I had no idea what that action was called. I shall take note of your description.

Kind Regards
John Brennan