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Re: what's up with rise and fall
Posted by jofjonesboro
7/20/2008  7:17:00 AM
Thanks, LadyDance. I can't believe how much time must be wasted in these endless exchanges over the minutiae of details that, while they may matter to some degree, are not the "be all and end all" of dancing.

Do you get the feeling there's a serious problem with literacy on this board?

jj
Re: what's up with rise and fall
Posted by interested
7/20/2008  6:19:00 AM
Re last past of jofjonesboro-I am not sure what you are trying to say, but it smacks of rudeness and sarcasm to me, and doesn't seem particularly useful.

You are incorrect in assuming I am taking up dancing as a geometry assignment. I am training for professional exams after a long and successful amateur career. My standpoint is that I love the artistry of good ballroom dancing and seek to understand the factors that underpin it, particularly from a teaching point of view, in the perhaps naiive hope that such an understanding might inform my teaching.

So lets have a look at where you stand.
On the on hand you are happy to tell me that there are differences in foot rise and that this is important for retaining the character of the dance etc. You argue with someone else and challenge them when they tell you of a 45 degree angle they claim to have seen on video - so you obviously have some idea of your own as to what those angles should be. But then in your most recent post you kind of imply that the details do not matter and I am a fool to even consider it. So which is it ?

Perhaps the unnerving truth is that good quality, eye-pleasing dancing is NOT the result of the sorts of technicalities that the text-books consider in such detail, and not quite as easy to box off as some would like to think. Which is fine - but then perhaps it is time to start analysing the things that do matter.
Re: what's up with rise and fall
Posted by jofjonesboro
7/20/2008  6:49:00 AM
You claim to "love the artistry of good ballroom dancing" but post questions ad nauseam asking for precise angles on foot rise.

What matters in foot rise depends, as anymouse and I have been trying to tell you, on the character of the dance in which you're using them.

In Waltz, the foot rise for the man on the third step of the Natural or Reverse Turn must be greater than that on the second step. It is the relative rise that matters.

Foot Rise in Fox Trot is only used to maintain the flowing character of the dance. The fact that some professionals may use more or less is beside the point.

How on earth could you have danced for years and not understand these things?

I don't deal with foot rise in any dance in terms of degrees and angles. Please tell me which dance manuals do so.

The most ridiculous aspect of your questions is that you're trying to define proper foot rise of each of two different dances according to the nature of the other.

If my sarcasm gives you offense then you deserve it. It is very rude to keep asking the same question once it's been answered.

So is playing "gotcha" on a message board.

jj

Re: what's up with rise and fall
Posted by annew
7/20/2008  7:05:00 AM
Interested. I read these boards but rarely contribute. You must realise that if you just want to clarify points from Guy Howard or whatever this is the perfect forum. But if you want a sensible discussion on current dancing trends don't bother. You won't get any answers and most of these guys on here get very hot and bothered by the fact that their beloved theory seems to hold less and less. Yes top dancers do deviate from the book, and it still looks good ! Interesting - but don't go there - least not here !
Re: what's up with rise and fall
Posted by interested
7/20/2008  9:28:00 AM
anne.

I do not think I shall post again, as I cannot bear this sort of rudeness.

If I do post any more questions I would prefer that jj would refrain from replying as I do not really wish to correspond with people like that. I thought it was a bad sign when he started quoting from my posts and correcting my spelling mistakes by putting in his own inserts such as (sic)- says it all doesn't it. Some people want to debate, some just want to lecture.
Re: what's up with rise and fall
Posted by jofjonesboro
7/20/2008  7:29:00 AM
Why are you taking professional exams? Do you plan to teach? If so, you're going to have a rough time if you insist on being so thin-skinned.

Also, may I point out that you never thanked anyone who tried to help you in this thread. Your complaints of rudeness ring pretty hollow.

jj
Re: what's up with rise and fall
Posted by interested
7/20/2008  7:51:00 AM
As I said before I would prefer it if you (jj) did not correspond with me.

But may I thank everyone who has made a genuine contribution to the thread. I am sure I would have expressed gratitude eventually as I am really quite a polite person - it's just that I assumed the thread and the debate were still both on-going - silly me - I should have realised that once jj has spoken there is nothing more to be said.
Re: what's up with rise and fall
Posted by jofjonesboro
7/20/2008  7:43:00 AM
Grow up.

jj
Re: what's up with rise and fall
Posted by interested
7/20/2008  7:53:00 AM
As I said before I would prefer it if you (jj) would not correspond with me.
Re: what's up with rise and fall
Posted by astaire
7/20/2008  7:53:00 AM
It is unfortunate that we have to quibble. I have been dancing for 35yrs and have over the past four yours posed many questions and recieved many usefull and even long explanations. that have helped me a lot,since I no longer compete or take private lesson this site is a great help. Yes, some old timers do go over the top and I do get tired of hearing quotes from the past, but I am willing to put up with that when I think of all the time and energy they put into answering my questions. If anyone thinks they can't learn from this forum they don't no what their missing.

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