Dear ??,
Statistically men and women read the same words and somehow they perceive them differently, that's what I meant by saying I Am a woman…
If you read Tara's question once more you will see that this person is a beginner, she or he was in need of simple info… I did not mean to bash the incredible information all the very knowledgeable dancers shared with Tara, but perhaps all Tara needed was the simple answer. I'm not trying to not Finnish what I started. From my point of view sense I too was a beginner at one time and was a little reluctant to ask dumb questions (of a teacher that I later found was a student) and seem stupid in front of others that seemed to get the concept from the very first try, I simply put myself in this persons shoes… I wonder what Tara thinks of this argument. I understand you being angry with me, I'm sure you must be an excellent dancer, but one of those who is very impatient with your dancing partner. I have nothing to hide all to gain especially with the wealth of info. That has been shared at this forum; and if you are a great lead lets dance sometime. Lia

In this instance we were answering a question from someone "trying to learn the dances", a non-dancer perhaps, who wanted to know what CBMP is.



It's only the wrong side fwd if the step is intended to be in CBMP. Otherwise the partner should match the side lead. I don't think the example of stepping in CBMP from a square position occurs anywhere, and I would contend that it cannot without the additional use of CBM. The point I was trying to make is that placing one foot in line with the other is not sufficient to produce CBMP. If the opposite side moves towards the moving foot then CBM has also been applied. I cannot think of an instance where a step is made in CBMP (no CBM) without the opposite side _already_ being forward (or backward). Can anyone else?



Oh If only! I'm afraid there are many places around here where any mention of CBMP is left pretty late. Usually after most beginners have left in the belief that they now know enough to get themselves around the floor.



Sorry, my oversimplification.

fallaway,

exactly

my post should have said:

CBM John Wayne walking (but not too extreme)

i remember when i started cbm made no sense to me as various teachers tried to explain it

i think the john wayne image helps conceptualize the opposite hip idea for a beginner only (then again my wife says i dance like that anyway)

sorry 'bout the lack of punctuation today. a young girl ran a stop sign on us last night. she only just got her licence and told the police she was looking on the floor under the dashboard for her purse as she went through the intersection. we're banged up (sprains/bruises, etc.) but otherwise ok. i'm a a one hand one finger typer for a few days. our new car is a write-off of course.

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operabob, be careful with that. If people really walk like John Wayne you're going to get a host of other problems... slouching, breaking sides, etc. Actually CBM happens when ANYBODY walks. That's why you swing opposite arm to leg.

If you've go them doing a cross-legged swagger, that's fine to have them stop and notice that their feet are tracking across each other.

I do think it's best to explain the concept and how to execute it properly in ballroom going backwards and forwards. Models place their feet in CBMP... but straight-legged, so that's not a good model (haha!). So it's fine to use something to illustrate, as long as the student understands what part of it is analogous, and the non-analogous part don't start weird habits.

(my teacher told me to waltz like John Wayne!)

Did you actually read the whole thread? Or are you just SocialDancer?

Dronak answered it almost immediately, very well.

fallaway clarified.

SocialDancer then added on...

and Jonathon fined-tuned it.


Yeah there's been some addition information especially about CBM, since people sometimes confuse the two. But the answer came right away.

If we, as dancers, are told to face LOD and take a step forward LF in CBMP, then that foot will be in line with the RF and we will have CBMP. (I would suggest that we would need to use slight CBM as well)

If we ask a beginner/non-dancer to step forward LF but to place the LF in line with the RF then we _may_ get CBMP, but I think it more likely that we will get a left side lead. That is why I was unhappy with Dronak's suggestion that



It was the "naturally" brings the opposite side forward I had problems with. Natural for a dancer familiar with the feel of CBMP but not necessarily for a beginner.