!'ll deliberately keep this short. If you can find a couple in full flight in the Foxtrot preferably on a Feather or a Three. How far would you say the lady has extended and to what part of the toe. And more importantly where is the body weight at the full extension.

"'ll deliberately keep this short. If you can find a couple in full flight in the Foxtrot preferably on a Feather or a Three. How far would you say the lady has extended and to what part of the toe. And more importantly where is the body weight at the full extension."

At what SPECIFIC POINT in what SPECIFIC STEP????????????

Any step going backwards was the question .
Now to the pauses which we can call balance points. To you a pause obviously means both feet as well as the body coming to a stand still. But do you realise that at the extent of the stride going backwards or forwards the foot will come to a stand still and will remain untill the other foot then becomes the standing foot. If it this didn't happen we would eternaly have one foot in front of the other, never catching up and passing .
Wouldn't we.
But back to the question once again. In the Foxtrot Feather or Three Step. At the full extention of the ladies stride .Which part of the foot is in contact with the floor. And at this same point where is the ladies body weight.And does that foot cease to move at some point. Think carefully about this one.

"Any step going backwards was the question ."

As the answer is a bit different in each case, you are going to have to specifcy WHAT POINT in WHAT STEP before I can give you an answer.

"Now to the pauses which we can call balance points."

Why are you equating pauses and balance points?

"To you a pause obviously means both feet as well as the body coming to a stand still. But do you realise that at the extent of the stride going backwards or forwards the foot will come to a stand still and will remain untill the other foot then becomes the standing foot."

To me a pause would most importantly mean a pause in the progress of the body - something GENERALLY IMPERMISSABLE in a lowered position, checking actions excepted.

Obviously there are many times when one or both feet will be stationry (or at least, some part of the foot will be) while the body moves. I would not call those pauses.

"But back to the question once again. In the Foxtrot Feather or Three Step. At the full extention of the ladies stride ."

WHICH STEP OF THE FEATHER? OR DO YOU WANT A STEP FROM THE THREE STEP?

You have to learn that it's different in each case!

Also - what is the full extent of the stride - the point when the moving foot is furthest from the body, or the point when the feet are furthest apart?

You can't ask technically detailed questions without putting a lot of though into the precise question. Otherwise any answer is GARBAGE!

Take your pick . The introduction or any of the Feather step including the first step into the Reverse. Or the mans third step or the fourth or any step going backwards by the man or the lady. You have a pause on your machine. I can see the man's body weight behind the front in particular the third step of the Feather The tape is from Russia and the couple I am looking at are Feriggio and Kohler. At no time can I pick that the mans weight is visibly in front of the front foot..
But back to the question. Where is the ladies weight at the full extent of her stride and what part of the foot is in contact with the floor at that time. You might like to comment on the angle of the thigh to the knee on both couples on every step not including the third step. I don't think anybody could write any clearer than that.
On the same tape there is a good look at the feet of Soale where the camera stays for a while on the feet only. Well worth studying.

"Take your pick ."

Your question, you pick, and be SPECIFIC. Or don't expect an answer.

"The introduction or any of the Feather step including the first step into the Reverse. Or the mans third step or the fourth or any step going backwards by the man or the lady."

You aren't being specific. Your problem is that you remain in GROSS IGNORANCE of the CRITICAL DIFFERENCES between each of these actions - so ignorant in fact that you basically deny that there is a difference... quick comically really. So please, keep us entertained.

"You have a pause on your machine. I can see the man's body weight behind the front in particular the third step of the Feather"

Look at the start of the third step, as the feet pass, and you will see that it's slightly in front of both feet. Obiously it would be the start of the step, not the end, where this is true.

"But back to the question. Where is the ladies weight at the full extent of her stride and what part of the foot is in contact with the floor at that time."

In WHICH SPECIFIC STEP?

And what do you mean by the extent of stride - when her feet are furthest apart, or when her moving foot is furthest from her body?

You still haven't learned to ask a question that merits an answer. In short, your remain IGNORANT OF THE MAGNITUDE OF YOUR IGNORANCE!

Answere the question. When the man or the lady has the rear foot as far away from the front foot as is practical, this is North to South simular to a splitz. Which part of the foot is on the floor and where is the body weight.
Your getting a bit like an Angel with one wing flying around in circles aren't you.
To put it in a more simple way.What do you see when the dancer is going straight backwards. What part of the foot is touching the floor. They have swung their right or left leg back from the hips first with the ball of the foot skimming the floor and then the ----- You fill in the answer. What is more important is where is the weight as ------ skims the floor. This is not your weight I already know where that is. This is as seen on a tape, instruction or competition.

"Answere the question. When the man or the lady has the rear foot as far away from the front foot as is practical, this is North to South simular to a splitz. Which part of the foot is on the floor and where is the body weight."

DURING WHAT SPECIFIC STEP?????

"To put it in a more simple way.What do you see when the dancer is going straight backwards. What part of the foot is touching the floor. They have swung their right or left leg back from the hips first with the ball of the foot skimming the floor and then the ----- You fill in the answer."

DURING WHAT SPECIFIC STEP??????

"What is more important is where is the weight as ------ skims the floor. This is not your weight I already know where that is. This is as seen on a tape, instruction or competition."

DURING WHAT SPECIFIC STEP???????


In your GROSS IGNORANCE you pretend they are all the same BUT THEY ARE DIFFERENT!

OK. You are completely stuck. Without changing most of what you have said. you can not say that Feriggio's partner Kohler, her foot isn't as far back behind her onto the tip of the toe, just about as far as it is possible to go. Her weight is forward towards her partner. The thigh of the supporting leg is very low to the floor. This is on every step backwards on the solo part of the competition in the Foxtrot from Russia which are the steps under discusion.
Different subject. You said . You cannot stay over the ball of the foot and also be moving. This is where you need to think a bit harder. You seem to think that we have two stationary feet. Dont you think that the weight shifts , or we dance from one foot to the other. Think of this. We have a table tennis ball on a train travelling at a 100k's. We drop the ball onto the table. it bounces straight up and down hitting the table twice in the same spot one second apart. What is really happening is it is bouncing some forty meters apart.
I will repeat again my original statement and add to it.. That only a complete idiot would try to instruct a beginner to send the body in front of the front moving foot and fall onto the next step. Your exact words on 10 17 06 You should fall past your standing foot. For the lady you wrote that you insist on it when I asked what happens to the lady at this point of imbalance. I take it that means falling past her front leg to her rear. I ask you again . Do you really believe you should be writting like that when people who are comparative learners are maybe reading .

"OK. You are completely stuck. Without changing most of what you have said. you can not say that Feriggio's partner Kohler, her foot isn't as far back behind her onto the tip of the toe, just about as far as it is possible to go."

And there is the issue - how far it is possible to go VARIES DEPENDING ON THE SPECIFIC STEP BEING PERFORMED!

There is no one stock answer for all backwards TH steps. Notice how different the forward's partner's action is throughout a feather! The backwards partner's action will also be as different - though the foot will do TH in each step, is is a very differnet meaning of TH in each case!

"Her weight is forward towards her partner."

Towards her partner, yes. But her weight must be MOVING BACKWARDS - if it is not, then she must be STADNING STILL AND NOT MOVING.

"You said . You cannot stay over the ball of the foot and also be moving. This is where you need to think a bit harder."

No, its where you need to wake up and smell the obvious. You can't move your body without moving your body! And if you move it, it's no longer going to be over your foot.

"You seem to think that we have two stationary feet."

That does not follow at all. But you are forgetting that the STANDING FOOT is forced to be stationary. It can articulate, but it can't move. As a result, a moving body will have to pass beyond it - or stop moving.

"We have a table tennis ball on a train travelling at a 100k's. We drop the ball onto the table. it bounces straight up and down hitting the table twice in the same spot one second apart. What is really happening is it is bouncing some forty meters apart."

Yes, but unlike your foot, the table is moving. If you wish to dance your feaether step while standing on a skateboard you can keep your body over your standing foot. But if you wish to do it while dancing on the floor, you CANNOT.

"That only a complete idiot would try to instruct a beginner to send the body in front of the front moving foot and fall onto the next step."

There's the problem - you are still thinking about dance as a beginner would. Time to grow up and get serious, time to learn the real story.

"I take it that means falling past her front leg to her rear."

At the appropriate time in the action, yes. Only the aim must take her not only onto the foot, but smoothly through it.

"I ask you again . Do you really believe you should be writting like that when people who are comparative learners are maybe reading ."

I am writing about the truth. If you are not ready to handle it, that is your problem. One should probably not be trying to teach foxtrot to a beginner anyway, as they will not have the physical strength yet to learn to dance it in a way that will build good habits. If they were to attempt it at all, they would either be off time, or have lots of pauses in the movement. In fact, that sounds very familiar - your problems is that you've been taught bad habits as might enable a beginner to fake foxtrot - but you've never actually learned to do the dance right!

You must SUSTAIN THE MOVEMENT. And for that you will need much stronger feet.