Now we are pinning you down. You said the body keeps on moving, before the foot moves.
The RF passes the LF and as it passes the toe of the LF the Left heel will released from the floor.Page 9.
The body does not move before the foot. The foot will already be passing the toe of the supporting foot and will always beat the body. It is estimated it travels twice the speed of the body..
Could it be estimated how many millions of people have read these passages. Don't you think that in all this time if it was wrong it would have been re edited and re issued.

"Now we are pinning you down. You said the body keeps on moving, before the foot moves."

The body is moving before the foot moves, while it moves, and after it has moved - that's obvious to anyone who cares to watch with intelligence.

"The RF passes the LF and as it passes the toe of the LF the Left heel will released from the floor.Page 9."

"The body does not move before the foot."

WRONG. Always feel the body commence to move before the foot. You do know where that idea comes from, don't you?

"The foot will already be passing the toe of the supporting foot and will always beat the body."

THERE IS NO SUCH DESCRIPTION. Admit it, YOU MADE THAT UP YOURSELF, and it is obviously WRONG. The body goes ahead of both feet because it continues to travel forwards beyond the standing foot. The moving foot passes the standing foot at this time, but when the dancing is well timed, it still hasn't quite caught up with the body. This is even more true when the average height of the center is low as in championship dynamics, and also for rising and falling actions, than it is for the high center zero rise/zero fall WALKING EXERCISE case that you ignorantly try to pretend is applicable to everything.

"It is estimated it travels twice the speed of the body.."

Yes, averaged over its ENTIRE TRAVEL. But this does not hold true at the time when the BODY IS ALREADY MOVING BUT THE FOOT IS ONLY JUST ACCELERATING FROM HAVING BEEN IN STOPPED IN STATIONARY POSITON.

"Could it be estimated how many millions of people have read these passages."

The quesiton is not if they read them, but if they understood them. You obviously have not.

"Don't you think that in all this time if it was wrong it would have been re edited and re issued."

It's YOUR READING, not Moore's writing, which is WRONG.

You will find Jonathan on this site did write about the speed of the foot. I have it here . I find it intersting and I copied it. I will say again or ask. Can you get in front of a foot that is already gone and is being driven by the supporting foot. I dont thinks so.
You will rue the day that you admitted Alex Moore is correct. Remember this wont you

"I will say again or ask. Can you get in front of a foot that is already gone and is being driven by the supporting foot. I dont thinks so."

I can, because my body was ALREADY MOVING BEFORE THE MOVING FOOT EVEN BECAME THE MOVING FOOT.

Let's look at the right foot in a passing action. While the right foot was the standing foot, the body was moving. At the time when the right foot becomes the moving foot, two things are obviously true: the right foot is behind the body, and the body is already moving. Thus the body STARTS OUT AHEAD OF THE FOOT.

Now let's look at the right foot in a closing action. While we are risen with the right foot as the standing foot, the body is relatively stationary over the foot. We transfer weight to our left foot. As we start to lower on the left foot, the body already is getting ready to move forwards, but the feet are still closed. As the left heel touches down, the movement of the body becomes obvious - this is Moore's always feel the body begins to move before the foot comment. Only after the body is moving does the free foot begin it's travel. Thus - briefly - we have the body IN FRONT OF BOTH FEET.

"You will rue the day that you admitted Alex Moore is correct."

He is correct, but your READING OF HIM IS WRONG!

You know as well as I do and the book says page 9 10. As the right foot passes the toe of the left foot, the left heel will be released from the floor,so that at the full extent of the stride the ball of the LF and the heel of the RF will be touching the floor
If we are quoting let us do it correctly and as written.
When commencing a walk from a closed position the weight must always be brought forward over the balls of the feet before a foot is moved page 10.
A closed position is anytime we are in a balanced position at the end of a step.
Further on it says move the weight from the heel to the ball of the foot.
Is this a true copy from the Technique book or not. As you have just said Alex Moore is correct. And I would hope so too.
Now go and read Anne's writting under Midway.

"You know as well as I do and the book says page 9 10. As the right foot passes the toe of the left foot, the left heel will be released from the floor"

Yes, but unlike you I pay attention to the SIMPLE FACT THAT IS APPLIES ONLY TO A

WALKING EXERCISE,

INLINE,

AT A MEDIUM HIGH BODY ALTITUDE,

WITH NO RISE,

AND NO FALL.

The situations you will find in actual dancing DO NOT MEET ALL OF THESE CRITEREA. They are instead, different types of actions, EACH WITH THEIR OWN UNIQUE FOOT ARTICULATION TIMING THAT SPECIFICALLY FITS THE NEEDS OF THE ACTION BEING DANCED.

There is simply no such thing as a one-size-fits-all solution.

Only an unelightened beginner would try to argue that there was, and in so doing would prove his ignorance for all to see.

So go ahead, keep posting your nonsense... every time you do so, it lessons the chance that any innocent student will pay any attention to someone so obviously wrong ever again!

"A closed position is anytime we are in a balanced position at the end of a step."

No, a closed position is any time you have closed the feet in preparation for ending the step. Not the same thing!

"Further on it says move the weight from the heel to the ball of the foot."

And anyone who has ever watched ACTUAL DANCERS will naturally understand that the body mass keeps right on moving PAST THE FOOT, while the pressure of the weight stays in the ball/toe until the moving foot has reached the point where it will now become the standing foot.

"Now go and read Anne's writting under Midway."

Hahaha, refer us to your fake alter ego?

I taught all day long...been a rough day. It's rained all week and there is little sun in sight. I come to this forum to gain enlightenment as well as joy from other dancers.

You two....need to chill and hash out your super-technical disagreements via private email in my opinion. Be an ADULT and agree to diagree and leave it at that. There is absolutely no winnning in your situation, which you both obviously have proven.

To the moderator...I recommend this site to my students. I tell them that there is a wealth of information here. Now I see that they can come here and see two people flooding the forums with over-technical word games that have no end. I'm going to stop recommending this site to my students, since the forums are obviously more of a ring for Anon and Quick than anything else. Might I suggest in order to avoid future loss of recommendations, you allow users to "ignore" replies of chosen posters. I can think of two that would be first on my list.

86 Posts since 4-12-07...get a life Anon and Quick...start focusing on the fun of dancing and leave the word games out.

JB-Lock. Did you know untill you read on this site that the moving heel reaches the toe of the supporting foot before the heel of the supporting foot leaves the floor. Be honest . Have you learnt something you can draw attention to with your pupils or not. If you did know why have you not written in.

"JB-Lock. Did you know untill you read on this site that the moving heel reaches the toe of the supporting foot before the heel of the supporting foot leaves the floor. Be honest ."

Of course he already knew that this will be true IN THE SPECIFIC SITUATIONS WHERE IT APPLIES, because such is common knowledge.

The issue is that you yourself, DO NOT YET REALIZE THAT IT ONLY APPLIES IN *SOME* SITUATIONS.

IT DOES NOT APPLY TO *ALL* STEPS!

I'll be honest...you arent teaching anyone anything! This is ridiculous banter. JB-Lock is right, and I'm sure many of us feel the same way. Interpret the book anyway you like, and good luck with your dancing...just keep the bickering amongst yourselves...no one is impressed or even interested.