"News Flash.There is no turn whilst a person is stepping into CBMP ( any dance ) we do not bend it."

While the direction of movement does not change during step 1 (it is not "bent") the book does in fact document 1/8 TURN into the first step of the weave from promenade.

What this literally means is that the man's foot is not placed in the same alignment on step 1 as it was on the preceding step 3. You can see this quite clearly in the footprint diagram: the whisk ended with the feet DC, but the first step of the weave has the foot squarely aligned to the center.

What it implies is that the figure is turning sharply enough that the person on the inside of the turn will not have CBM on the first step, in contrast to most other promenades where both partners have CBM on the first step. And indeed, we find that the man
does not have CBM specified on step 1 of the weave from promenade.

I can't follow you there. The first step in Promenade after a Whisk in the diagram is the feet pointing diag to wall and not diag to centre. These are the man'steps not the ladies.
On step one of the Weave from Promenade does have CBMP on step one and step four..
There is no turn on one or four. The turn is on 2 3 and 5 6.

"The first step in Promenade after a Whisk in the diagram is the feet pointing diag to wall and not diag to centre. "

The passage you are responding to is about the weave from promenade, but you are giving the alignments for something else such as a chasse from promenade.

This is what I said that you were responding to:

"While the direction of movement does not change during step 1 (it is not "bent") the book does in fact document 1/8 TURN into the first step of the weave from promenade."

Polished continued:

"On step one of the Weave from Promenade does have CBMP on step one and step four.."

Yes, this has been stated numerous times.

"There is no turn on one or four. The turn is on 2 3 and 5 6."

Wrong. There is in fact 1/8 turn into step one for the man when the weave from promenade follows a whisk. That's the change you will see in your footprint diagram from DC at the end of the whisk to the first step of the weave being placed aligned squarely to the center.

Anonymous. Are we on the same page 146 to 147 Diagrams on 148 and 149. Where does it say 1/8 turn on step one for the man. This is the first step in Promenade after a Whisk on which the man has no turn if the correct alignment is abided by.

"Anonymous. Are we on the same page 146 to 147 Diagrams on 148 and 149. Where does it say 1/8 turn on step one for the man. This is the first step in Promenade after a Whisk on which the man has no turn if the correct alignment is abided by."

You are still not looking at the chart for the weave from promenade. If you were, you would see the 1/8 turn into step one.

In the version of Ballroom Dancing that you can view on google books, you will see on page 155 that the last step of the whisk has the man's foot aligned to DC while the first of the weave has it squarely to center. That is 1/8 turn. To quote the ISTD book, it says under amounts of turn "1/8 between preceding step and 1"

Come on now. You are looking at a foot position from the Whisk. Alex never thought that anybody was of the opinion that they had step over their own foot.That would be the LF which would also have to turn. To create CBMP the shoulder is already in position . There is absolutely no mention of 1/8th of a turn as being part of step one. All of the turn takes place on 2 and 3.
Looking at the chart your way you will see that on step three there is a fraction of a turn of the foot. But we all know that the body is turning 3/8 of a turn on steps 2 and 3.
Do you get it. RF pointing to centre on step 1.

"Come on now. You are looking at a foot position from the Whisk."

I'm looking at the foot position of the first step of the weave. It shows that turn has been made since the previous step, something that you claimed does not happen. This is because you still don't understand that turn is measured between the feet positions and not in some other way.

"1/8th of a turn as being part of step one. All of the turn takes place on 2 and 3."

You are simply wrong. Look it up - it's right there in the diagram in Moore, and right there in the text in the ISTD. Why not have a look at page 155 of Moore's book online at google books?

"Looking at the chart your way you will see that on step three there is a fraction of a turn of the foot."

The fraction is 1/8 of turn, which is to say 45 degrees or the difference between DC and squarely center.

"Do you get it. RF pointing to centre on step 1."

And it wasn't on the previous step. Which is why there is actually turn during step one.

Do you understand yet that "turn" is measured between the foot positions?

Anonymous. That's interesting. Most of the book on the net. It is the same as the original except the number of the pages have been altered on the net page 158 is 154.. There is still no mention of an 1/8 of a turn on one or any of the steps. Where you are making a mistake is you are taking the line of the feet as being the alignment of the body. If you take as an example a Lock Step in the Quickstep. The feet are pointing diag to wall whilst the body should be facing between the wall and diag to wall so that contact with the partner is kept.
On step one of the Promenade after the Whisk in the Waltz. Travelling diag to centre the feet will be not on the same line as the body
Once again. The turn of the feet the 1/8 which you are concerned with is not mentioned because there is no turn of the body on that step. It is the body that we have to be concerned with and Alex in his infinite wisdom didn't think anybody would think otherwise. So endeth the lesson. You can close your books now.

"There is still no mention of an 1/8 of a turn on one or any of the steps."

Look at the diagram and you will clearly see it. In Ballroom Dancing the text description does not break down the turn per step for this figure; in other volumes such as the ISTD book it is broken down and that same 1/8 turn seen in the diagram in Ballroom Dancing is explicitly stated in the text.

"Where you are making a mistake is you are taking the line of the feet as being the alignment of the body."

No, I am taking the alignment of the feet as being the alignment of the FEET. The alignment of the body is not necessarily the same as that, but it is also not relevant to the fact that turn exists, because "TURN" IS MEASURED BETWEEN THE FOOT ALIGNMENTS, NOT IN THE BODY.

"Once again. The turn of the feet the 1/8 which you are concerned with is not mentioned"

Wrong, it is mentioned. There is officially 1/8 turn on that step, precisely because of the 45 degree change in foot alignment.

"because there is no turn of the body on that step."

Body alignment is not a factor in "turn".

"It is the body that we have to be concerned with and Alex in his infinite wisdom didn't think anybody would think otherwise."

You could not be more wrong. The book is written largely about the foot postions, and NOT ABOUT THE BODY. To quote from the explanation of the amounts of turn:

"It should be noted that the amount of turn is measured from the positions of the feet, which is a little disconcerting at first. It would appear to be easier to take the amount of turn from where the body is facing, but in practice this becomes even more complicated".

There you have it - turn is measured in the feet, NOT THE BODY, and it's refusal to grasp this that is behind so many of your mistaken comments.

Anonymous. Show me where on a Weave following a Whisk it is written that on step one there is an 1/8 of a turn.
A Quote straight from the book.
Amount of Turn.
Make three eighths of a turn to the left between 2 and 4
And a quarter to the left between 5 and 6
This is how it was written 73 years ago and you have in the windmills of your mind have added another 1/8th.
Do you see any turn written for step i or 4..Either following an Open Imetus or a Whisk. Where have you seen an 1/8th of a turn written for step 1. Step 1 is straight without any turn. That's what it has been saying for the past 73 years.