"It applies to all Reverse Turns in all dances. So you said.
Now lets look at the Tango. A Open Reverse Turn. If you dont use CBMP on one and three then your Tango will have yours and your partners hips fully exposed. Not a pretty site is it."

Actually, with the hips rotating BEFORE the body, they stay within the hold, instead of being exposed.

As the concept has been presented to me, it applies to ALL dances of the ballroom half of the family. One noted teacher for example, no matter what dance you ask the question in, will momentarily switch you to viennese waltz in order to explain and demonstrate this concept, as the feeling is that it's clearer there. Then you get to take it back and use it in your foxtrot reverse turn.

terence2 wrote:
"I think that when someone of note, makes a declaritive statement, suggesting change, of a long standing concept, it will invariably have opposition ."

Yes, it may sound grossly unorthodox, but I don't think the no-reverse-cbm is actually not a rejection of tradition but instead a less than perfectly stated clarification of an often overlooked point:

reverse turning methods are NOT mirror images of natural turning methods.

If your concept of CBM matches what's done in natural turns, then it WILL NOT APPLY to reverse turns. On the other hand, if your mental concept of CBM has "natural turn order of actions" and a different "reverse turn order of actions" then reverse turns will have CBM - reverse turn CBM, which is to say lower body rotating before upper.

terence2 wrote:
"I think what is coming into play here , is upper body speed and lower body speed"

I believe the question was in the 06 Foxtrot Final on the Wave by Timothy and Christopher. If we drew a line all the way from the rear foot through the head to the ceiling on a clock face where would it finish. It most cerainly is not 12 o' clock. That is and was the question. I don't care what your Aunt Sahara teaches. I want to know what is on the video.
Because some teach there is no CBM on a Reverse Turn. That doesn't mean there is no Swing and Sway. Do that right and the rest will follow.
Before you do that have a look at your feet. As you step to the side on step two are you on both toes as you step.. When step two is complete can you stand on that toe and lift your left foot from the floor. Which allows step three to be a step and not a prop. It should be a step backing the LOD

"Because some teach there is no CBM on a Reverse Turn. That doesn't mean there is no Swing and Sway."

Nobody denied the existence of swing and sway. Instead, the subject is the maintenance of a left side lead in reverse turns. And that is where the no cbm, or cbm in lower body and only much later the upper, comes in.

"Not counting the beats... Are they crazy?"
When i tap my feet to music, i'm not counting beats. Unless i use an unusual definition of the word "count"
I'm following the beats, yes. I can detect the first beat in the bar without having to count to 3 (or 4), yes. I'm sure most people can, otherwise they'd have to guess the first beat 1 and count from there. For serious technical work on figures, i will count, especially if there's no music .
However, i have no problem if people want to count away while they're dancing. But i suspect they don't really need to

Phil. This I was told one week ago, If you went to a practice nightin London. The type where you and I would not be allowed in. Very exclusive. At first you would think it was chior practice with the amount of singing or humming as they dance. When you think about it, it does make some sense.