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re: spin turn and pivot turn
Posted by rumbalei
1/29/2001  1:26:00 AM
Dear Waltz123,

Thanks for your reply. But what I dance in FT is the following: after the contra check, I replace my wt to LF and begin to turn to right with my LF behind RF for 4 slow bars. My right side hip always has closed contact with my partner during this turn and exit with PP. I dont know if this is the standing spin.

Best regards,

regards,

re: spin turn and pivot turn
Posted by Len
1/17/2001  4:07:00 AM
You are not alone. This "simple" step gave me trouble when I tried dancing it strictly according to the technique described in the "authoritative" technique books. The ISTD have since made the "toe turned in revision". Apparently they have also had endless discussons about this step and what the correct technique is.

I may be able to help you but I need a more detailed description of your problem to help you solve it. I would like to know basically how you dance this step and at which points the problems are:
Where in the step are you unbalanced?
Are you able to make sufficient turn?
Can you lead your partner or follow the lead?
Where do you feel obstructed by your partner?
etc.

You will find the "correct" broken-down technical description of this step in sources, books, videos but you've probably already tried that and are looking for something more.

Regards,
Len.

re: spin turn and pivot turn
Posted by Steve
1/25/2001  11:26:00 AM
Hi Rumbalei

The Fleckerl is anot an normal figure to follow a conta check.

Any following figure very much depends on your alignment. If dancing a contra check towards wall or diag to wall then a basic figure to follow would be a chasse from PP. The full contra check would be danced as follows (man's steps given):

1. Contra check action.
2. Repalec wt to Right Foot
3. Step LF to side in PP

If yohave more experience your dance dance the Contra Check diag to awall against the LOD. You can then follow the Contra check action with a Naturaal Pivot

1. Contra Check
2. Replace wt back to RF
3. LF back small step and pivot to R.

It is normal to dance a series of pivots down the LOD anfter a contra check in this position but this requires a great deal of experience. Travelling Pivots are by no means an easy figure to dance well. When danced badly they can cause a lot of problems with weight distribution. They will both look and feel awful.

Hope this helps.

Steve

re: spin turn and pivot turn
Posted by rumbalei
1/17/2001  10:22:00 PM
Dear Len,

Thank you so much for your reply.

My problems are:

1) After I dance the natural spin turn in waltz and want to dance the continuous pivot turn and spin turn (each time 180o to right) and finish in PP, I just cannot make sufficient turn with my partner, (but I can do it better alone). Do I need to make rise and fall actions during the turns?

2) The same problem occurs after the fallaway reverse and slip pivot and try
to make continuous spin turn to left.

3) How can i keep balance during these turns?

Please give me advise about my problems.

Regards,

re: spin turn and pivot turn
Posted by Belle1
1/26/2001  12:38:00 PM
My partner and I really struggle with the pivot turns too. When I dance it with him, I feel like he is not traveling enough, but when I dance it with my instructor I have to really work to keep up! It's a very partnerly move -- each person has to move in balance with the other to make it work smoothly.

That's not much help in figuring it out, though! It's one of those things that (once you have the mechanics) needs particular attention in practice.

--Belle

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