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Samba Rhythms
Posted by Phillip
4/2/2000  6:02:00 PM
After reading the rather long thread involving the Samba Corta Jaca, I thought is best to start a new one.

First, I'd like to say that the Revised Techniqe, part 4 - Samba, is now in print. It can be obtained from USISTD Publications, 5718 Brock St., Houston, TX 77023-5906

Samba uses a variety of rhythms. All of which are 'correct' in one sense or another. ISTD technique counts the Corta Jaca as a Slow followed by 6 Quicks, or the numerical count of 1 2& 1& 2&. 1st step is given a whole beat value. All others are half-beat values. No bounce is used.

Voltas are normally given the count of 1a2a3a4, which is the traditional beat value of 3/4, 1/4, 3/4, 1/4, 3/4, 1/4, 1. Obviously, different beat values can be used. A popular version of the volta has been included in the revised technique. It uses 1 3/4 beats for the first step, 3/4 for the 2nd step, 1 3/4 for the 3rd step, then the normal 1/4 and 3/4 values for the remaining steps.

People use different rhythms because they feel good. Sometimes, though, it's important to remember that the BASIC rhythm of any dance is there because that's how the music is written. It's difficult to express the music properly while dancing to it if we stray from the basic rhythm in which that music was written.

Samba has the basic sound of 1a2a, 1a2a built into it. In the basic action, we would straighten the legs slightly on the last 'a' of the preceding bar of music. The stepping foot would arrive in position on the first half of the 1st beat of the new bar. The legs would flex slightly during the 3rd 1/4 of that 1st beat. During the 4th 1/4 of that first beat, the legs would straighten slightly again. And, if another weight change is danced, it would occur at this point. (Although it would be a 'part weight' step) For the next step, the legs would already be in the 'straightened' position. Weight would be placed onto the foot during the 1st half of the 2nd beat of music, and the knees would then flex during the 3rd 1/4 of that beat. This leaves the 4th 1/4 of the 2nd beat for straightening the knees in preparation for the next weight change.

Keeping in mind that the 1st 'a' count is from the preceding beat of music, we could count Samba as (a) 1 & a 2 & a. Overall, then, this gives 3 counts for each beat of music. At times, this would involve 2 weight changes. In other cases, it would involve just one weight change.

When whole and half beat values are used for steps, counting in slows and quicks makes sense. Normally, bounce isn't used with this type of count due to the lack of the 'a' count.

Basically, though, we should all keep in mind the main reason for dancing - to have fun!

Phillip

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Samba Rhythms
Posted by Fred Bolder
6/6/2000  4:14:00 PM
Hello!

I was very surprised to see that the variation of the week is a Samba with the Corta Jaca. Check it out at: https://www.ballroomdancers.com

It looks a lot as how we have learned it. The rhythm is the same (a1 a2). We turn in the Corta Jaca, but that's just a variation.

Fred Bolder
fghb@xs4all.nl http://www.xs4all.nl/~fghb/ballroom.htm

[This message has been edited by Fred Bolder (edited 06-06-2000).]

re: Samba Rhythms
Posted by Lyndie
5/6/2000  11:42:00 PM
Thanks Dronak re:Corta Jaca
I have another question. Can anyone explain the "Chicken Walks" please?Also, what are the arm movements to accompany the footwork?
re: Samba Rhythms
Posted by Dronak
5/5/2000  11:27:00 AM
Regarding leading the Corta Jaca in samba, here's what I remember being taught in my classes. Speaking from a leader's perspective, the first step is supposed to be strong, without bounce, and using a heel lead. I think we were also told that it helps for the leader to drop the joined hands down to about hip level before the first step. Since I forgot to write this down, I don't recall exactly what the reason for doing this was. I think it was to help indicate that the next figure was the Corta Jaca and that when combined with the strong first forward step, a slightly more open position can be created (leader leading follower away slightly through the joined hands) which I think makes the figure a little easier to dance (you have a little more room to do the required actions). Someone else might be able to give a better answer, but I hope this helps.

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James Marshall
marshall@astro.umd.edu
http://www.astro.umd.edu/~marshall

re: Samba Rhythms
Posted by Lyndie
5/5/2000  11:09:00 AM
What is the lead for the Corta Jaca? I find lots of males have very weak leads and this makes following almost impossible.
re: Samba Rhythms
Posted by Fred Bolder
4/5/2000  9:35:00 AM
Well Phillip, I'm glad you've started a new topic. After all, there is a lot to talk about the Samba rhythms. Everytime there was a new reply, I had to print the whole long story. I follow this discussion with interest.

It's all very funny. A lot of dancers including me come with a very long explanation and think that he or she is right. I think it is very hard to find out what the original Corta Jaca figure is. You can read a lot of books, but as Weddingdance wrote "Different books can say different things and it's open to interpretation".
And as Reyesuela wrote, there is a differents between social and competitive dancing.

4 quicks... 10 quicks and now 6 quicks. I have learned the Corta Jaca with 8 quicks. Let's look at it the other way. Perhaps the Corta Jaca is just the movement heal, replace weight, toe, replace weight. Ofcourse, you can use a lot of different rhythms and variations.


I have asked my teacher about the Corta Jaca and he explained me that we learn one of the many variations of the Corta Jaca.

If you dance a jive, you have two rhythms for the same figure. It depends on the music. You can have the beat values 1 - 1 - 1/2 - 1/2 - 1 - 1/2 - 1/2 -1 or 1 - 1 - 2/3 - 1/3 - 1 - 2/3 - 1/3 - 1. The last one is with triples.

I think every dance-teacher teaches in a different way. It's a pity that not everybody learns the same basic figures. This could be a problem if you want to dance with somebody from another dance school, but it could be exciting too!

If you don't understand the rhythm of a figure, you have to contact your teacher in the first place, but most of the time that isn't easy.
I thought there was only one way to dance the Corta Jaca. We have learned the Corta Jaca with a strange rhythm a1 a2 a3 a4, so you start the figure before count 1. I thought that Carol didn't understand that rhythm, because the basic rhythm is easy. That's why I replied to the topic.

Fred

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